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2018-07-14


[19:00] Stickman Ingmann: Welcome everyone to Roarbeast office hours! Usually I have a prewritten copy/paste of this stuff, but I forgot to write it ahead of time, so I'll type fast.
[19:00] Navier: http://www.patreon.com/roarbeast <most important bit!
[19:00]
Stickman Ingmann: The method we do this is: short presentation, followed by a Q&A. Please hold your questions for after the presentation.
[19:01]
Stickman Ingmann: Roarbeast is made up of myself, who focuses on scripts and animations, and Maneframe, who is doing the models and textures for the mesh dragon avatar, which I know everyone is waiting for.
[19:02]
Kanowyn: has a pasta tail in her mouth!
[19:02]
Stickman Ingmann: We've got several locations where we post updates, if you want to follow us in a place more reliable in notice delivery than SL. http://roarbeastsl.tumblr.com/post/85688415476/roarbeast-social-media-accounts
[19:02]
Stickman Ingmann: The primary thing I want to talk about today is a thing we're calling Smolbeast.
[19:03]
Stickman Ingmann: The idea behind Roarbeast is making big, fully featured, amazing avatars. And the mesh dragon has been taking a while, and our energy has dropped a little low. So we decided we'd take a small detour and tackle a few topics that seemed interesting to us, and that a lot of people were also talking about in the Discord chat.
[19:04]
Stickman Ingmann: Smolbeast, as we're calling is, will be a line of fast to create, simple avatars. Not nearly so many features as a Roarbeast avatar, but a much, much shorter development time.
[19:04]
Stickman Ingmann: The goal is to take about a week, maybe two, for each one.
[19:04]
Stickman Ingmann: The first idea we had, lemme pull up some pictures, was a little robotic dragon.
[19:05]
Stickman Ingmann: Unfortunately, the panels on this guy turned out to be not quick at all. We couldn't convert them easily to a polygon count that was workable. So we shelved the project with plans to revisit, and moved to the next one.
[19:07]
Maneframe: Oh hey, your artist is pretty good
[19:07]
Ravenna Soothsayer: pfft mane
[19:07] Stickman Ingmann: This is an anthro noodle dragon. We did some quick concept art, and then jumped into the modeling.
[19:07]
Maneframe: >:3
[19:07]
Stickman Ingmann: Everyone: Maneframe, the artist.
[19:07]
Becky Nosferatu: Right? like we've never seen that dudes stuff before!
[19:08]
Ravenna Soothsayer: :-O
[19:08]
Stickman Ingmann: Maneframe went a little overboard on this one. He liked the concept, made a male and female version, and some swappable parts. The optional parts won't be seamless, but they'll be options.
[19:08]
Avalon: lovin those scutes
[19:09]
Stickman Ingmann: I think I've got some duplicates here. Did I upload dupes or paste the wrong ones...
[19:09]
Stickman Ingmann: There we go.
[19:10]
Alexir Smith: T h i c c
[19:10]
Stickman Ingmann: So this guy has actually be retopologied. I'm doing some rig tests to make sure we can support fitted mesh -- appearance slider support -- as well as an unnatural skeleton. But those tests look promising.
[19:10]
Stickman Ingmann: I uploaded one of those tests, and while it looks awful it also shows me promising things.
[19:11]
Maneframe: Im afraid
[19:11]
Avalon: oh dear
[19:11] Alexir Smith: Someone help him
[19:12]
Cornerstone: Took a pic just in time
[19:12]
Stickman Ingmann: Hah. To scare your children with?
[19:12]
Cornerstone: Forgive me I cannot handle SL very well
[19:12]
Cornerstone: Also yes, very much so.
[19:12]
Stickman Ingmann: So that's making good progress. I need to finish the rig and make sure it doesn't deform badly, then we can do the unwrap and start on textures.
[19:13]
Stickman Ingmann: So the plan after the anthro dragon is done is a feral eastern dragon. Or the traditional noodle dragon. This is one that a lot of people have been wanting.
[19:13]
Stickman Ingmann: We only have some concept art for that.
[19:13]
Stickman Ingmann: As previously seen on the Discord server.
[19:14]
Stickman Ingmann: We asked people what their favorites were, and ... actually lemme go count.
[19:14]
Ravenna Soothsayer: ugh i love it
[19:14]
Cornerstone: Nooodle
[19:14]
ᴍɪʜɪʀᴏ: brings a tear to my eyeeeeeeee
[19:14]
ηιѕнα: glad to see noodle projects
[19:14]
Wiegraf: i have longed to be long for many years
[19:14]
Stickman Ingmann: N01, the "Neckko", won by a few votes.
[19:14]
Navier: noodles!
[19:15]
Kanowyn: Pastas!
[19:15]
Alexir Smith: I wanna be a noodle
[19:15] Maneframe: ye shall all be naudles
[19:15]
Stickman Ingmann: Neckko has a drawback: in order to get that long neck, we're not going to be able to move the fingers. We'll have to break the skeleton a bit to get that flexibility. Or reduce the flexibility of the face. Or something. We'll have to break SL, which will cause drawbacks.
[19:16]
Maneframe: but it'll be worth it for that N E C C
[19:16]
Navier: if you get rid of bento fingers
[19:16]
Becky Nosferatu: I still vote for both, but that way, either way I won't be disappoint.
[19:16]
Navier: at least do hud hands :)
[19:16]
Stickman Ingmann: Once we finish the anthro, we'll move on to this guy. I'm aiming on starting it by the 23rd.
[19:17]
Wiegraf: yay
[19:17]
Maneframe: I still wanna make that munchkin giraffe
[19:17]
Navier: Fist, open hand (1-2 variants?), point/gun variants)
[19:17]
Navier: :P
[19:17]
Stickman Ingmann: Also worth mentioning: one of the fun bits about Smolbeast is that I can put my efforts towards other projects. Kanowyn is quite the modeler, and has been working on a baby gryphon.
[19:18]
Stickman Ingmann: We'd be interested in your opinions.
[19:18]
ηιѕнα: gryphonssss <333
[19:18]
Stickman Ingmann: So, small detour to the presentation. Feedback?
[19:18]
Becky Nosferatu: Kano- if you put that gryphon out there, I would be ALL over it
[19:18]
ηιѕнα: we need gryphons because dragons have overrun SL
[19:18]
ᴍɪʜɪʀᴏ: must restore the balance
[19:18]
Becky Nosferatu: that tiny baby you made is adorable and I want it.
[19:19] Kanowyn: I also have an adult gryphon model in the works, but that was put on the back burner.
[19:19]
Cornerstone: So, the anthro dragon will be released before or on the 23rd Stick?
[19:19]
Alexir Smith: Awww it's cute
[19:19]
Toothless Draegonne: well, not "dragon". "Dragon", mostly. There's like two dragon models and a snokra mod that everyone uses >.>
[19:19]
Navier: more dragons
[19:19]
Becky Nosferatu: LOOK AT THAT TINY CHICKENCAT
[19:19]
Becky Nosferatu: I'm serious, I would pay a lot for that
[19:19]
Stickman Ingmann: The goal is to get the anthro eastern dragon out before the 23rd, yes. Next week.
[19:19]
Stickman Ingmann: For Smolbeast, we still desire quality, but we're focusing on simple and fast.
[19:19]
Cornerstone: Nice :)
[19:20]
Navier: got a long day ahead of me tomarrow
[19:20]
Cornerstone: Will the tail be moving/swaying or just stiff?
[19:20]
Navier: I gotta go stickman
[19:20]
Stickman Ingmann: Thanks for the feedback on the gryphon. Let's hop back to the presentation. I can answer questions at the end.
[19:20]
Cornerstone: Oh thought it was question time whoops
[19:20]
Becky Nosferatu: good night, Navier. sleep well.
[19:20]
Kanowyn: Nini Navi!
[19:21]
Stickman Ingmann: Maneframe has been kind enough to revisit the robo baby dragon, and has turned it into something else that should be easier to work with.
[19:21] Maneframe: Yus
[19:21]
Avalon: ok that thing is adorable D:
[19:21]
Stickman Ingmann: As you can see, it menaces with spikes, which is very important for any dragon.
[19:21]
Alexir Smith: Ooooh
[19:21]
Maneframe: :D
[19:21]
Bombai Beck: asking about the anthro eastern... it gonna have hoofs only? :x
[19:22]
Navier: Not wish to interrupt more than I have but do check out http://www.patreon.com/roarbeast as much I love to see Stickman have the support he needs I really want people to share what he is trying to create so he can get the support, good night.
[19:22]
Stickman Ingmann: Unless Maneframe or Kanowyn had something to say, that's the end of the presentation. You two got anything?
[19:22]
Stickman Ingmann: Thanks, Navier. I appreciate it.
[19:22]
Cornerstone: Is it question time?
[19:22]
Becky Nosferatu: I have several. lol
[19:23]
Stickman Ingmann: One of the reasons we're switching gears to Smolbeast is because of needing to earn some money before the mesh dragon project is finished.
[19:23]
Bombai Beck: I have many :x
[19:23]
Kanowyn: Uh
[19:23]
Stickman Ingmann: Wise words, Kanowyn.
[19:23]
Maneframe: The only thing I want to interject is that I might like the freedom to make a complete mess of the timeline if something we have on the list strikes my fancy for a couple days
[19:23]
Kanowyn: Hah
[19:23] Becky Nosferatu: lol
[19:24]
Stickman Ingmann: Maneframe is correct. Messing with the timeline is the bet way to avoid time travel incidents.
[19:24]
Maneframe: :D
[19:24]
Kanowyn: The model for the chick is pretty much done, but I also have the adult gryphon I can always finish, if there is enough interest and if Stickman wants to work with me on it, or someone else!
[19:24]
ηιѕнα: please finish adult ❤
[19:24]
Alexir Smith: Adult? :o
[19:24]
ηιѕнα: there's currently no mesh or even bento gryphons in SL ;-;
[19:24]
Kanowyn: I will post a pic of the adult in the roarbeast discord.
[19:24]
Stickman Ingmann: Roarbeat is planning on an adult gryphon, but as a Smolbeast project, it would be done much faster, albeit with less features and options.
[19:24]
Alexir Smith: needs to get into that discord
[19:25]
Maneframe: ^
[19:25]
Cornerstone: Will the tail be moving/swaying or just stiff?
[19:25]
Becky Nosferatu: as a content creator myself... I can only work when I'm inspired. that said, personally? Mane if you need extra time, I'm not going to be chasing you with a torch
[19:25]
Wiegraf: more chickencats yes
[19:25]
Cornerstone: For the anthro noodle
[19:25]
Stickman Ingmann: You can join the Discord server here: https://discordapp.com/invite/NfUCCjj
[19:25] Toothless Draegonne: so long as there's hooks for modders to grab a hold of, I guess it can be simple and quick, and let third parties do what they do best.
[19:25]
ηιѕнα: ^
[19:25]
Kanowyn: Right now, Stick and I are not officially working together, we're just "testing the waters" for fun
[19:25]
Navier: What if time travel was discovered and those who where first kept it secret and kept it for themselves, but any time someone else creates it they go and prevent it.
[19:25]
Navier: nini
[19:26]
Maneframe: Unfortunately, I don't have the luxury of waiting for inspiration all the time. But yeah, sometimes it's just easier to change up what I'm ddoing for a little bit :P
[19:26]
Navier: *Flops*
[19:26]
Maneframe: So stick, we've had tail animation and hoof swappability concerns thus far
[19:26]
Bombai Beck: yap ;w;
[19:26]
Toothless Draegonne: oh, will there be beta versions for smolbeast like previously planned for Big Meshyderg?
[19:26]
Stickman Ingmann: There were a number of questions above I didn't address. Feel free to ask them again. If I miss them, just bring them to my attention.
[19:26]
Maneframe: I'll let you address those so they hate you instead >:P
[19:27]
Ravenna Soothsayer: i think the timeline you've set for yourself on these projects is impressive
[19:27]
ηιѕнα: I'm curious about the robo critter. What if the plates and such were more simplified? I'd definitely love to see it released. There isn't that many mech avatars out in SL.
[19:27]
Stickman Ingmann: I mentioned earlier this is the end of my day. I'm actually quite tired, so I apologize if I miss bits.
[19:27]
Maneframe: We were in the process of simplifying it, it just took too long for it to be worth it atm
[19:27]
Becky Nosferatu: I have three main questions about the Anthro dragon... 1. will there be different feet? 2. what is the price range you guys are averaging here for Smolbeast stuff, the obvious leaning towards the anthro.... and 3: Why a navel? (Normally I'd ask about boobs, but this is SL. That'd be pointless.)
[19:27] Stickman Ingmann: Smolbeast does not have betas planned, no. The development is fast enough, and the project small enough I don't anticipate major issues to be hiding.
[19:27]
Maneframe: we're looking into options or revisiting it later
[19:28]
ηιѕнα: ah ok :)
[19:28]
Maneframe: The navel is only on the boob versions
[19:28]
Maneframe: There's a navel because I said so
[19:28]
Becky Nosferatu: xD
[19:28]
Becky Nosferatu: fair answer
[19:28]
Cornerstone: For the anthro dragon, Will the tail be moving/swaying or just stiff?
[19:28]
Maneframe: Navels are the fuckin bees knees man
[19:28]
Maneframe: belly buttons 4 lyfe
[19:28]
Stickman Ingmann: We're not planning on different feet for the anthro eastern dragon, no. But getting feedback from people is one of the reasons we're doing fast iterations on these. What kind of feet would you want?
[19:29]
Wiegraf: birb like feet
[19:29]
Ruanlong Qiangfu: ^
[19:29]
Stickman Ingmann: We'll ask you guys about pricing when we have the thing done. Seems the easiest way to decide on a price.
[19:29]
Ravenna Soothsayer: re: the noodle, personally i think the neck is the major feature. sacrifice fingers imo.
[19:29]
Bombai Beck: feet same as the hands pwease D:
[19:29]
Ravenna Soothsayer: it would be the only necko in SL. :-) everybody has fingers.
[19:29]
Ruanlong Qiangfu: But preferable not super thin, they need to be thick enough to support the weight of the noodle
[19:29] Becky Nosferatu: well hooves don't really make sense to me on an eastern, cause they said to have "eagle talons" lore wise.
[19:29]
ηιѕнα: will smolbeasts come with various parts or alphas for people to at least make modding easier?
[19:29]
Stickman Ingmann: With the Bento skeleton in SL, tails can be animated. There are six bones reserved for tails. I plan on making a basic AO for each of the avatars we're making. So yes, the tails will move.
[19:29]
Becky Nosferatu: It's a neat option though for... say... a Questing Beast?
[19:30]
Toothless Draegonne: Could size ankles to be about the same size as other modfeet?
[19:30]
Becky Nosferatu: give that thing a cobra hood and it'd be an awesome questing beast
[19:30]
Ravenna Soothsayer: alternately, don't break anything, because it'll still be SUPER cute
[19:30]
Maneframe: IthashoovesbecauseIsaidso
[19:30]
Becky Nosferatu: Your Unicorn is showing, Mane
[19:30]
Kanowyn: Nee?
[19:31]
Becky Nosferatu: I do REALLY like that body shape though, holy crap.
[19:31]
Ruanlong Qiangfu: The hooves are nice, I like them, but I feel a more taloned version would fit better for an eastern.
[19:31]
Stickman Ingmann: If sales on a Smolbeast is significant, we'll totally consider revisiting them, making alternate versions or add-ons, or even considering them for a Roarbeast project remake.
[19:31]
Cornerstone: I think hooves were chosen because they are quicker, and less tedious to animate.
[19:31]
Maneframe: Thanks n-n I like to think I put my design degreee to good use xP
[19:31]
Maneframe: Also they're different and interesting
[19:31] Maneframe: They made a nice shape in my doodling
[19:32]
ηιѕнα: maybe the hooves could be removeable if people wanna use something else?
[19:32]
Maneframe: So I made them that way
[19:32]
Ravenna Soothsayer: so if anthro eastern is coming out first, what's the ETA?
[19:32]
Becky Nosferatu: yeah, no I agree. I really like that body shape
[19:32]
Maneframe: removeable parts causes a significant amount of work. That's up to stick
[19:32]
Ruanlong Qiangfu: would the feral noodle also have hooves then?
[19:32]
Becky Nosferatu: Did you answer the price? I forget
[19:32]
Cornerstone: There are no tells of a chinese dragon with hooves, but the anthro dragon would be really good for making an anthro kirin
[19:32]
Aziza: there we go now i can see people. HELLO! all
[19:32]
ᴍɪʜɪʀᴏ: hi
[19:32]
Stickman Ingmann: The goal for the eastern anthro is to released it by the end of next week.
[19:32]
Toothless Draegonne: hello
[19:32]
Becky Nosferatu: hey Aziza. x3 welcome to Roarbeast's office hour
[19:32]
Ravenna Soothsayer: wow
[19:32]
Ravenna Soothsayer: thats super fast
[19:32] Maneframe: feral noodle will have claws
[19:32]
Aziza: glad i made it
[19:33]
ηιѕнα: curious if feral will have hooves too
[19:33]
Wiegraf: thank goodness
[19:33]
Ravenna Soothsayer: you guys are development beasts :-)
[19:33]
Maneframe: rawrbeasts
[19:33]
Ruanlong Qiangfu: Would the anthro/feral have a chinese dragon beard/fluff?
[19:34]
Maneframe: Im sure someone will either make a mod or we'll make an aftermarket part for it.
[19:34]
Ruanlong Qiangfu: And whiskers?
[19:34]
Ruanlong Qiangfu: :3
[19:34]
Stickman Ingmann: Not planned, no. What you see here is what we've got planned.
[19:34]
Becky Nosferatu: lol
[19:34]
Maneframe: The issue with the feet swappable idea, is that it's the reason the dragon is taking so long
[19:34] Toothless Draegonne: 'tis not too hard to flexiprim up some whiskers
[19:34]
Maneframe: seemless models and UV's cause issues
[19:34]
Becky Nosferatu: I asked that earlier. Mane wanted to
[19:35]
Wiegraf: hmm
[19:35]
Maneframe: The anthro has hooves because I designed it that way :V
[19:35]
Stickman Ingmann: Smolbeast is designed to be simple avatars. The anthro eastern is a bit of an exception a mane and male/female variants, and optional horns and ears all added into the design.
[19:35]
Alexir Smith: Ohhh the UVs
[19:35]
Ruanlong Qiangfu: I feel that a lot of people will question the hooves xD
[19:35]
Wiegraf: so the hooves are easier to animate too?
[19:35]
Stickman Ingmann: A lot of people are questioning the hooves, yes.
[19:35]
Klairity: I like the hooves
[19:35]
Klairity: over claws
[19:35]
Maneframe: I am admittedly saddened
[19:36]
Becky Nosferatu: Mane gave it hooves. That is the reason.
[19:36]
Stickman Ingmann: There is no significant difference in animating hooves versus claws. Sadly, we don't have enough bones in the skeleton to to do toes in the hind feet.
[19:36]
Ruanlong Qiangfu: I like the hooves too, I just think clawed ones would fit more for a noodle
[19:36]
ηιѕнα: It's cute but hooves don't seem to make sense for a eastern dragon is all. I really love the work so far though :D
[19:36]
Maneframe: But I'm also a grumplord today so ignore me
[19:36] Ravenna Soothsayer: it makes it unique
[19:36]
Klairity: whispers: but I might be biased to hooves
[19:36]
Ravenna Soothsayer: i'm going to buy it either way tbh :-)
[19:36]
Becky Nosferatu: i will too.
[19:36]
Wiegraf: yeah if it's done, it's done
[19:36]
Wiegraf: finish the project
[19:36]
Becky Nosferatu: actually, give it a center horn? Bam, you have a Kirin
[19:36]
Ravenna Soothsayer: u
[19:36]
Ravenna Soothsayer: yup
[19:37]
Mathinic: "longboi" love it xD
[19:37]
ηιѕнα: I'm sure people will make mods for it ^^
[19:37]
Becky Nosferatu: There will be no dummy rig for these right?
[19:38]
Becky Nosferatu: iss everyone okay?
[19:38]
Maneframe: Stick mentioned the possibility of a devkit
[19:38]
Becky Nosferatu: oh
[19:38]
Becky Nosferatu: that was weird, everything lagged bad just now for me
[19:39]
Toothless Draegonne: probably joinlag.
[19:39] Becky Nosferatu: Possibly
[19:39]
Croue Battle: Is the tail going to be straightened out to work with bento tail? Or will it be a separated object?
[19:39]
Stickman Ingmann: Yeah, everyone seems interested in devkits. I'm fine with making tools available for people to create textures and animations and whatnot.
[19:40]
Becky Nosferatu: good good
[19:40]
ᴍɪʜɪʀᴏ: \o/ devkits
[19:40]
Stickman Ingmann: The tail will work with Bento, yes.
[19:40]
ᴍɪʜɪʀᴏ: even if they have to come later on
[19:40]
Becky Nosferatu: What price range do you aim for these?
[19:40]
Stickman Ingmann: Relatively cheap. Like I said, they don't have a huge feature set. Any ideas on how we should price it?
[19:41]
Kanowyn: It depends on what it going into it.
[19:41]
Becky Nosferatu: well, the little ferals I'd imagine no more than 500L?
[19:41]
Maneframe: RSI, Sweat, and Tears
[19:41]
Becky Nosferatu: while the anthro is... maybe 800?
[19:41]
Aziza: i think anything around 1000 is fair
[19:41]
Aziza: give or take
[19:41]
ᴍɪʜɪʀᴏ: no way, i'd pay way more than 500L
[19:41]
Ravenna Soothsayer: i feel weird about suggesting prices, like, i can pay uite a lot for mods, and this is a full fledged av, albeit a simple one.
[19:41]
ᴍɪʜɪʀᴏ: way way more
[19:41]
Aziza: that's what i see most small ferals go for
[19:41]
Toothless Draegonne: Given the benchmark for bigdergs is the 5K meshdraggyn.
[19:41] Mathinic: Move av's I've seen that came with huds are within 800-1000$L range
[19:41]
Kanowyn: Depending on how many skins, animations and options put into it...I would think it'd be mroe than that.
[19:41]
ᴍɪʜɪʀᴏ: i think 500L is underpricing
[19:42]
Mathinic: dunno if these will have huds or not
[19:42]
ηιѕнα: could always turn them into gachas aswell. People seem to really love those avatars that come from gacha machines.
[19:42]
Mathinic: so maybe around there depending or w/e
[19:42]
Ravenna Soothsayer: nooo please dont lol
[19:42]
Becky Nosferatu: it won't have a ton of features, and since you guys are doing it around a week's time? I think 500L is PERFECT price for those
[19:42]
Wiegraf: noooo
[19:42]
ᴍɪʜɪʀᴏ: i think it was decided on the discord that no gachas
[19:42]
Maneframe: I despise lootboxes and wont be feeding into them
[19:42]
Stickman Ingmann: A lot of people have mentioned gachas. But it's basically gambling, and that's against my code of ethics.
[19:42]
Maneframe: ^
[19:42]
Mathinic: Plz no gambling, !@#$ hate that
[19:42]
ηιѕнα: I'm glad the gacha ones are mod when you claim them so you can still buy skins for it XD
[19:43]
Toothless Draegonne: I'd guess 500L if simples, up to 1K if it comes with a few features.
[19:43]
Maneframe: Becky, the plan was originally around a week, but as with all things, I have gone overboard
[19:43]
Becky Nosferatu: okay, Stick, Mane; you plan to give it animations, jaw, fingers, tail, ears? What about skin options? Will that be a texture HUD?
[19:43]
Ravenna Soothsayer: plus i only buy one gacha anyway and then use a mod on it.
[19:43]
Maneframe: It's been a week
[19:43]
ᴍɪʜɪʀᴏ: 500L too low, i'd say 800L is beginner price, even if it's "simple" as far as feral standards are, it's still work
[19:43]
Wiegraf: how big will the feral noodle be?
[19:43]
Becky Nosferatu: cause if you do that, maybe even sell it in different sizes- yeah. 800L for it
[19:43]
Mathinic: i vote 800 too
[19:43]
Toothless Draegonne: fat packs planned once there's a few smolbeasts out?
[19:43]
ηιѕнα: size mods ❤
[19:43]
Toothless Draegonne: (or if there's different colours, sizes, etc)
[19:43]
Stickman Ingmann: Packing up the Smolbeast avatars could be possible, yes.
[19:44]
ᴍɪʜɪʀᴏ: but i'd gladly pay up to like 1.5k
[19:44]
Ruanlong Qiangfu: How tall is the anthro eastern exactly?
[19:44]
Kanowyn: I could see between 800 and 1.5 being fair.
[19:44]
Becky Nosferatu: I remember you guys mentioning on Discord the little armored/robo dragon, you guys couldn't get right?
[19:44]
Ravenna Soothsayer: i've paid up to 600L for a mod. i think 1k sounds fair.
[19:44]
ᴍɪʜɪʀᴏ: yeah more than fair
[19:44]
Toothless Draegonne: note that 1.5K is pretty pricey for human-size anthro avatars. Look at DSD's stuff for instance.
[19:44]
Maneframe: It ended up being a topology nightmare
[19:44]
Stickman Ingmann: The eastern anthro will likely be a little more than the others, because it has a few extra options. But it sounds like between 500-1500k is the prices people are talking about.
[19:44]
ηιѕнα: KZK's avatars are 1k
[19:44]
Becky Nosferatu: Considering they're making it in a week's time
[19:45]
Toothless Draegonne: not mentioning Maitreya/Catwa because that's just silly priced,.
[19:45]
Aziza: dsd uped their price because more colors come with it
[19:45]
Becky Nosferatu: no, 1k is to pricy
[19:45]
Stickman Ingmann: Maneframe and I will pick up a good price and run with that.
[19:45]
Aziza: instead of buying another avatar for another color
[19:45]
Ravenna Soothsayer: well, this IS stick, i assume his avs always come with full customization options
[19:45]
Maneframe: Yep
[19:45]
ᴍɪʜɪʀᴏ: 1k isn't too pricy, most feral avs start around 3k
[19:45]
Becky Nosferatu: no offense to you guys, but that feels like a cop-out to me, to charge 1k for something that you guys made in over a week
[19:45]
Becky Nosferatu: er under?
[19:45]
Ravenna Soothsayer: frankly 1.2 for one color has always been kind of not great
[19:45]
Becky Nosferatu: no just over, huh
[19:46]
Toothless Draegonne: well, *some* ferals are silly priced. Guess how many of those I have? I'll give you a clue: less than 1 >.>
[19:46]
Stickman Ingmann: I've never been a fan of the "sell by color" philosphy. More fair is Dreamcrawler's "buy the avatar, then pay less for more colors" policy. My favorite is "buy it and get all of it." I mean... that's easiest for a developer, too.
[19:46]
Taylor: Same for the feral price thing
[19:46]
Becky Nosferatu: yes!
[19:46]
Ravenna Soothsayer: tbh development time isn't what i would pay for. it's for stick and mane's top tier professional content.
[19:46]
ᴍɪʜɪʀᴏ: ^
[19:46]
Ravenna Soothsayer: if they can knock it out in a week, more power to em
[19:46]
Toothless Draegonne: TWI wolf is just nope :P
[19:46]
Becky Nosferatu: considering what WORK goes into the ferals?
[19:46]
ᴍɪʜɪʀᴏ: this x100
[19:46]
Becky Nosferatu: nah. 3k is a damn steal
[19:47]
Maneframe: Keep in mind that the more financially stable the Avs make us, the more we'll be able to focus on making quality ones in the future
[19:47]
ηιѕнα: Teegle is definitely worth the 5k price if you wanna talk about ferals.
[19:47]
Aziza: you do know that people undercharge via time vs effort
[19:47]
Becky Nosferatu: especially since he didn't raise the price for the bento
[19:47]
ᴍɪʜɪʀᴏ: right, this is supposed to fund the main project yeah?
[19:47]
Alexir Smith: Artists always undercharge
[19:47]
Aziza: i dont think the whole "you only made it in a week why so much" should be a factor
[19:47]
Croue Battle: Teegles OK.
[19:47]
Becky Nosferatu: Nah I just mean they're making it in under a week/so because they're giving it so little features
[19:47]
Becky Nosferatu: it's going to be very basic
[19:48]
Croue Battle: Just because something is expensive doesn't always mean its well done, even if it took a long time to make.
[19:48]
Alexir Smith: And still look good
[19:48]
Stickman Ingmann: Doesn't matter how long it takes to make. Matters what it is in the end.
[19:48]
Becky Nosferatu: please correct me if I'm wrong
[19:48]
Ravenna Soothsayer: i AM curious about how much animation will go into them, stick
[19:48]
ηιѕнα: back in the day most avatars were 800-900L for a simple eye color change, blink and tail staes.
[19:48]
Wiegraf: price conflict x.x
[19:48]
ηιѕнα: *states
[19:48]
Stickman Ingmann: If I was superman, and made the whole mesh dragon in a month, I'm still gonna charge for the end product.
[19:48]
ᴍɪʜɪʀᴏ: right
[19:48]
Ravenna Soothsayer: are we talking about dragon level animations?
[19:48]
Becky Nosferatu: And colors
[19:48]
Maneframe: When clients argue with my painting prices on a basis of time, I explain to them that they're paying for the 8 years of unpaid work I did to even get this job, and that I barely make my bills anyways.
[19:48]
Becky Nosferatu: I doubt that, Ravenna
[19:49]
Kanowyn: Quality...it's about quality.
[19:49]
Maneframe: I view this in a similar manner. but ultimately it's up to sticks.
[19:49]
Ruanlong Qiangfu: Can I make a suggestion? Discuss pricing again once we see the final result?
[19:49]
Kanowyn: even simple can have quality
[19:49]
Becky Nosferatu: that's a better idea, Ruan
[19:49]
Maneframe: We still shoot for quality. We're not gonna settle for crap even though the bar is set lower
[19:49]
Avalon: i agre with ruanlong, this discussion is not leading anywhere
[19:49]
Avalon: *agree, even
[19:49]
Becky Nosferatu: I'll withhold my judgement then
[19:49]
Stickman Ingmann: I have not started on any animations for these yet. I expect to make them very good quality. Personally, I'll have to see people's reactions to them to know how good they are.
[19:49]
Alexir Smith: Yeah
[19:49]
Ruanlong Qiangfu: It's a bit early at this stage to set a price tag.
[19:49]
Becky Nosferatu: until the final product. :D
[19:49]
Toothless Draegonne: another benchmark: texture mods for these little smolraptors come in at 150-250L.
[19:50]
ηιѕнα: I'm curious how the UV will look. Will be able to hide/show certain parts with just a simple UV map editing?
[19:50]
Becky Nosferatu: also, I apologize profusely if I seem bitchy today. I'm in a bit more pain than usual right now and overly blunt. It's not my intention
[19:50]
Ravenna Soothsayer: frankly the quality of animation is what makes avs come alive for me
[19:50]
Becky Nosferatu: totally
[19:50]
Maneframe: s'alright
[19:50]
Ravenna Soothsayer: awww, becky!
[19:50]
Stickman Ingmann: Nisha, uploading a custom texture with an alpha would let you hide parts of the avatar, yes. Would work like any other.
[19:50]
Becky Nosferatu: there's a storm overhead.
[19:50]
Maneframe: I am also bitchy today. been a rough back half of the week on me. So I'm also blunt
[19:50]
ηιѕнα: awesome ^^
[19:51]
Becky Nosferatu: so I gotta ask about the little dude on the right
[19:51]
Becky Nosferatu: let's be bitchy together, Mane. *gets a bat*
[19:51]
Ravenna Soothsayer: like the animation on those plushie raptors? LOVE it.
[19:51]
Ruanlong Qiangfu: How tall is the anthro eastern compared to an average sized human? Would the human be up about the shoulder's height of the noodle?
[19:51]
Stickman Ingmann: Thinking about it, with no actual spare parts to add, I should be able to slice these avatars up and still have them appear seamless. I'll run some tests. The workload for that would be minutes.
[19:51]
Kanowyn: WERE ALL A LITTLE MIFFY!
[19:51]
Maneframe: Alrighty, ready for a bitch battle
[19:51]
Becky Nosferatu: \o/
[19:51]
Becky Nosferatu: but yeah, the little guy on the right? that's the first I've seen of that one
[19:52]
Stickman Ingmann: I won't need to finalize the size of any of the avatars until I start working on animations. Right now for the eastern anthro I was thinking of having him a head or two shorter than a traditional human.
[19:52]
Ravenna Soothsayer: i like that
[19:52]
Ruanlong Qiangfu: Shorter?
[19:52]
Ruanlong Qiangfu: (-O △ O-)
[19:52]
Becky Nosferatu: size mods. :V
[19:52]
Becky Nosferatu: I reitterate. (≧ω≦)
[19:52]
Alexir Smith: Dang
[19:52]
ηιѕнα: I thought it would be about the size of the Snokra cause dragon
[19:52]
Stickman Ingmann: The goal for the rigging is to also have him compatible with fitted bones, so the appearance sliders will funtion. Let you make them taller or shorter.
[19:53]
Becky Nosferatu: fair enough
[19:53]
Ruanlong Qiangfu: True, but that will likely cause some stretching to occur, as with anything.
[19:53]
Stickman Ingmann: During the presentation, that test I mentioned, was to make sure that was even possible with the tools I have, since the skeleton will also be a bit deformed. It looks possible.
[19:53]
Ruanlong Qiangfu: I would rather vote for a head or two larger than a human ovo
[19:53]
Becky Nosferatu: Kat's little raptor there, that Raunlong is wearing, actually comes with 3 different sizes
[19:54]
Maneframe: Becky: The little guy on the right is my rehash of the base model for the robo dragon
[19:54]
Becky Nosferatu: oooh okay
[19:54]
Maneframe: so that my previous work wasnt put to waste, I used the opportunity to bring something else to final
[19:54]
Becky Nosferatu: so little ... pet dragon?
[19:54]
Becky Nosferatu: er, pet drake
[19:54]
Stickman Ingmann: Him we're planning to be the size of a horse.
[19:54]
Becky Nosferatu: OH
[19:54]
Stickman Ingmann: (Yes, the dragon baby is likely to be small)
[19:54]
Maneframe: Stick and I had discussed the possibility of both pet and avatar
[19:54]
Maneframe: wait was
[19:54]
Maneframe: wat*
[19:54]
Maneframe: oh
[19:54]
Becky Nosferatu: oh okay
[19:55]
Wiegraf: How big will the feral noodle be?
[19:55]
Maneframe: think teacup chihuahua on meth
[19:55]
Toothless Draegonne: heh, wonder if youo could just straight-up rip the water horse anims if you're going to do that?
[19:55]
Becky Nosferatu: I love it
[19:55]
Maneframe: Thanks :>
[19:55]
Becky Nosferatu: will he have wings or that his design??
[19:55]
Stickman Ingmann: With the animesh feature coming to SL soon, we'll have NPCs. Also, you'll be able to attach one animesh object, so having a pet attached to AVATAR_CENTER would let you have an animated pet.
[19:55]
Stickman Ingmann: The original robo design had mechanical floating wings. We'll figure something out.
[19:55]
Croue Battle: I would love for a small dragon (Small being horse sized).
[19:55]
ᴍɪʜɪʀᴏ: ah yes, an animated pet that isn't 500 frames and makes everyone slow to a stifling 5fps hahaha
[19:56]
Becky Nosferatu: right
[19:56]
ᴍɪʜɪʀᴏ: can't wait for that
[19:56]
Becky Nosferatu: plz and thank
[19:56]
Stickman Ingmann: We've got like four minutes left. Any last minute questions? Anything I missed earlier?
[19:56]
Maneframe: ALSO, I should mention that any smolbeasts that sell really well and we get a lot of requests for it, Stick and I aren't against remastering one to a full featured Av in the future. with the usualy run of options
[19:56]
Alexir Smith: :D
[19:56]
Avalon: maybe small particle-like wings like they were made of fire?
[19:56]
Ravenna Soothsayer: that's a pretty good way to gauge interest
[19:56]
Stickman Ingmann: Absolutely, what Maneframe said.
[19:56]
Kanowyn: I sploded!
[19:56]
Becky Nosferatu: someone keeps asking how big the feral noodle will be
[19:56]
Wiegraf: meee
[19:57]
Croue Battle: Noodle sized.
[19:57]
Becky Nosferatu: haha, I remembered
[19:57]
Ruanlong Qiangfu: I got confused, so is the anthro going to be smaller or larger than a human?
[19:57]
Becky Nosferatu: rofl
[19:57]
Becky Nosferatu: smaller than
[19:57]
Avalon: *makes a bowl oif ramen then*
[19:57]
Mathinic: Will it come with pasta sauce??????
[19:57]
Becky Nosferatu: like normal human sized but not SL giant sized
[19:57]
Stickman Ingmann: The anthro should be a little smaller than a human.
[19:57]
Aziza: is the little raptor you guys test run alongside the dragon gonna be released?
[19:57]
Maneframe: So any of you who really really care about the hooves on the anthro noodle can get claws on one by making sure we sell like 8 million of them so we're forced to make one with a poopton of options
[19:57]
Ruanlong Qiangfu: I'd be looking forward for a larger size mod then :<
[19:57]
Alexir Smith: xD
[19:57]
Stickman Ingmann: Maybe someone could commission me to make a larger version or something. Not sure how easily it would be to adjust animations to work with that.
[19:58]
Becky Nosferatu: pfff
[19:58]
Maneframe: in the meantime, I look forward to people walking around with dragon feet slippers with their hooves stuffed in them
[19:58]
Ruanlong Qiangfu: the snokra snake is larger yet it works fine.
[19:58]
Becky Nosferatu: hahahah
[19:58]
ηιѕнα: Also looking forward to seeing how the gryphon cub comes along :D
[19:59]
Stickman Ingmann: Someone asked about the size of the feral eastern dragon. Honestly, I was thinking selling many sizes of that would make more sense. Something the size of a human arm, something twice as big as a human. Cover the bases.
[19:59]
ᴍɪʜɪʀᴏ: so excited for all of this \o/
[19:59]
Croue Battle: I am excited for a new gryphon.
[19:59]
ηιѕнα: ^ same
[19:59]
Alexir Smith: Oooh yes
[19:59]
Ravenna Soothsayer: well i can't wait to give you guys all of me Ls
[19:59]
Becky Nosferatu: as much as I love dragons; yes. Gryphons are well over due for love
[19:59]
Alexir Smith: I want a lorge noodle
[19:59]
Becky Nosferatu: I'm hoping to see one like the old uh
[19:59]
Becky Nosferatu: Isle of the Wyrms cub size
[19:59]
ηιѕнα: gryphons have been overshadowed recently by dragon love XD
[19:59]
Stickman Ingmann: "I would like a spaghettus." You mean spaghetti? "No, just one."
[19:59]
Croue Battle: Pool noodle sized Derg Noodle.
[20:00]
Becky Nosferatu: HAH
[20:00]
Kanowyn: SPAGHETTO!
[20:00]
Maneframe: I want to make robot equitaurs :V
[20:00]
Croue Battle: Feather Boa sized noodle.
[20:00]
Aziza: [19:57] Aziza (zombiicandy): is the little raptor you guys test run alongside the dragon gonna be released?
[20:00]
Maneframe: the dino ended up being not so little, and is pretty heavly featured
[20:00]
Maneframe: it's trudging along as well
[20:00]
Stickman Ingmann: The little raptor? I'm not following.
[20:00]
Aeor Vidicus: woooooo!
[20:00]
Maneframe: RB Dino
[20:01]
ηιѕнα: tiny trex
[20:01]
Stickman Ingmann: OH.
[20:01]
Stickman Ingmann: Yes, the dinosaur is still planned. We're taking a break form Roarbeast to focus on Smolbeast, though.
[20:01]
Croue Battle: Nope Rope version of noodle.
[20:01]
Aziza: that's fine i cant wait for it
[20:01]
ηιѕнα: would definitely love to see how that looks :D
[20:01]
Mathinic: ^
[20:01]
Stickman Ingmann: Alright, thank you everyone for coming. I need to get some sleep or I'm going to start forgetting more avatars we're working on.
[20:01]
Maneframe: AKA I'm poor and demotivated and need to get stuff out there :D
[20:02]
Toothless Draegonne: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/90545546783109120/440181492052656138/unknown.png did someone say lorge noodle? :>
[20:02]
Aziza: big mood mane
[20:02]
Croue Battle: Take care.
[20:02]
Aziza: big mood
[20:02]
Becky Nosferatu: pretty sure most of us feel that
[20:02]
Maneframe: much mood
[20:02]
Croue Battle: Time for me to get back to work.
[20:02]
Stickman Ingmann: Take care, everyone! Thank you for coming!
[20:02]
Stickman Ingmann: The office hours log should be up on Monday.
[20:02]
Bombai Beck: <3
[20:02]
Becky Nosferatu: oh look a ripped DBZ Model. Like that's not a surprise.
[20:02]
Avalon: cya!
[20:03]
Becky Nosferatu: good night stick. Thanks for showing us the progress os far
[20:03]
Becky Nosferatu: so
[20:03]
Maneframe: I'm gonna hop off as well
[20:03]
Toothless Draegonne: AFAIK it's not ripped, it's part of the DBZ HUD >.>
[20:03]
Kanowyn: BOOP
[20:03]
ηιѕнα: thank you for all the amazing work you guys have been doing
[20:03]
Becky Nosferatu: and Mane, excelent models. Can't wait to see more
[20:03]
Maneframe: thanks n-n
[20:03]
Wiegraf: grahr
[20:03]
Aziza: thank you roarbeast staff

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